Comments on: Religious Education in Yemen Summer Camps http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/ Jane Novak's blog about Yemen Mon, 07 May 2012 07:25:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: amin http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-34481 amin Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:19:05 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-34481 thanks jane, the issue is very complicated and interlated to the histroy and the Islamic Philosophy. i am busy at the moment but i will post it in three to four days. thanks jane, the issue is very complicated and interlated to the histroy and the Islamic Philosophy. i am busy at the moment but i will post it in three to four days.

]]> By: jane http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-32902 jane Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:02:20 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-32902 amin, the more details the better. thats the impression I had from some one else and i did a lot of reading on zaidism too. the concept of self-determination (vs a pre-ordained destiny) is new to me though. thanks very much for this and everything. amin, the more details the better. thats the impression I had from some one else and i did a lot of reading on zaidism too. the concept of self-determination (vs a pre-ordained destiny) is new to me though. thanks very much for this and everything.

]]> By: amin http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-32743 amin Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:13:40 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-32743 to answer your question based on what i already wrote. it is IMPOSSIBLE - according to thier ideology to rebel against the president. P.S; some Slulfs and Jihadis went to the extermes. to answer your question based on what i already wrote. it is IMPOSSIBLE – according to thier ideology to rebel against the president.

P.S; some Slulfs and Jihadis went to the extermes.

]]> By: amin http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-32742 amin Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:10:11 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-32742 Dear Jane, The distinctive difference between the two sects (Politically) is that the Wahabi commands its followers to obey BLINDLY the rulers even if they were unfair and oppressive and they should rebel only and ONLY if they announce publicly that they are not Muslims (which of course no one would have done so) while the Zaidi sect requires its clerics and followers to oppose any unfair acts by the ruler and they MUST have a word and refuse their orders. This is why the Zaidi Sect is not so popular between the rulers. These political points of view of every sect came from the philosophy of “Human actions creation”. The Wahabi sect says that whatever man does is created by Allah. So, they justify the presence of those oppressive rulers by this philosophy “Allah has created these acts and we MUST accept this, it is our fate”. While the Zaidi Sect believes that the acts of human are created by them and they are responsible for it. So, the presence of rotten ruler is not a punishment from Allah and they should be opposed. Two days ago, I read some fatwa from popular Saudi Wahabyi clerics denying the rights of protesting for the nation and it is considered this as a source of evil. To sum it up, the Wahabyi ideology is popular among the rulers as it gives them the religious ground for their stability on their thrown, while Zaidi sect gives them a headache as they know that they might refuse their orders if they were not fair. This is just a glimpse of the political aspect of every sect and I am sorry if I went in details. Peace, Amin Dear Jane,
The distinctive difference between the two sects (Politically) is that the Wahabi commands its followers to obey BLINDLY the rulers even if they were unfair and oppressive and they should rebel only and ONLY if they announce publicly that they are not Muslims (which of course no one would have done so) while the Zaidi sect requires its clerics and followers to oppose any unfair acts by the ruler and they MUST have a word and refuse their orders. This is why the Zaidi Sect is not so popular between the rulers.
These political points of view of every sect came from the philosophy of “Human actions creation”. The Wahabi sect says that whatever man does is created by Allah. So, they justify the presence of those oppressive rulers by this philosophy “Allah has created these acts and we MUST accept this, it is our fate”. While the Zaidi Sect believes that the acts of human are created by them and they are responsible for it. So, the presence of rotten ruler is not a punishment from Allah and they should be opposed.
Two days ago, I read some fatwa from popular Saudi Wahabyi clerics denying the rights of protesting for the nation and it is considered this as a source of evil.
To sum it up, the Wahabyi ideology is popular among the rulers as it gives them the religious ground for their stability on their thrown, while Zaidi sect gives them a headache as they know that they might refuse their orders if they were not fair.

This is just a glimpse of the political aspect of every sect and I am sorry if I went in details.
Peace,
Amin

]]> By: jane http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-32741 jane Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:11:38 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-32741 yes amin i have the impression that the Zaidi teaching in particular is the antithesis of wahabbism in that it encourages as you point out independent analysis and not automatic acceptence. itis more open to reinterpretation to suit modern situations. it also has tenents that encourage a more democratic governmental structure by requiring primarily justice from the country’s leadership regardless of who it is. But, but someone was telling me today that theres not really a religious issue in yemen- its all about power. That Saleh is as threatened by the Wahabbis as by the Zaidis. So I guess the implication is that the targeting is simply a power thing not driven by any ideological component. What do you think of that? yes amin i have the impression that the Zaidi teaching in particular is the antithesis of wahabbism in that it encourages as you point out independent analysis and not automatic acceptence. itis more open to reinterpretation to suit modern situations. it also has tenents that encourage a more democratic governmental structure by requiring primarily justice from the country’s leadership regardless of who it is. But, but someone was telling me today that theres not really a religious issue in yemen- its all about power. That Saleh is as threatened by the Wahabbis as by the Zaidis. So I guess the implication is that the targeting is simply a power thing not driven by any ideological component. What do you think of that?

]]> By: amin http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-32737 amin Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:43:35 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-32737 sorry Jane, i was so busy last week. i agree with what you wrote 100% plus they should refine what they are teaching. to give you an insight, the Zaidi Sect is known of empowering the mind before the "text" on the contrary of the Wahabi sect and this is why no one has ever heard of creasy stuff done by Zaidis. so, the courses mainly focus on how to extract the evidence from the Holy Quran and to give it a meaning. Sometimes the other sects of Sunnis blame them for this but this is what i believe it is the right way. the issue is a phylosophical one and it is long but insightful for non muslims and muslims to understand how those so-called Mujahdeen justify what they are doing. peace, Amin sorry Jane, i was so busy last week. i agree with what you wrote 100% plus they should refine what they are teaching.
to give you an insight, the Zaidi Sect is known of empowering the mind before the “text” on the contrary of the Wahabi sect and this is why no one has ever heard of creasy stuff done by Zaidis. so, the courses mainly focus on how to extract the evidence from the Holy Quran and to give it a meaning. Sometimes the other sects of Sunnis blame them for this but this is what i believe it is the right way. the issue is a phylosophical one and it is long but insightful for non muslims and muslims to understand how those so-called Mujahdeen justify what they are doing.
peace,
Amin

]]> By: Jane http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-31623 Jane Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:09:21 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-31623 yes it is amin yes it is amin

]]> By: amin http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-30554 amin Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:23:33 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-30554 this is indeed a crime. this is indeed a crime.

]]> By: Searchlight Crusade http://armiesofliberation.com/archives/2005/07/21/religious-education-in-yemen-summer-camps/comment-page-1/#comment-30525 Searchlight Crusade Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:01:58 +0000 /?p=1521#comment-30525 <strong>Daily Links and Minifeatures 2005 07 23 Saturday (and 24 Sunday)</strong> Looks like they've identified something to fight one component of Alzheimer's Cool! ********** Daily Links and Minifeatures 2005 07 23 Saturday (and 24 Sunday)

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