Armies of Liberation

Jane Novak's blog about Yemen

Jane Novak and the Democracy of Waq al-Waq

Filed under: Yemen, mentions — by Jane Novak at 9:34 pm on Thursday, December 15, 2005

This article was written by someone inYemen who I didn’t know but who apparently knows me. It was translated from Arabic.

Update: So of course they are saying I orchestrated this article myself (from the comments): “May be Novak Asked him to write that to make her picture better in Yemen. It is the fact only.”

Jane Novak and the Democracy of Waq Al-Waq
By Mohammad Ezz Addeen
12 Dec, 2005

There are many who interested on writing about the Yemeni affairs. But only few of them who put the hand on the defectiveness places to diagnosing the situation in the country. May be the American journalist and political analyst Jane Novak taking advanced position on the experts list of the Yemeni cases. However, she is new epoch in interesting the Yemeni Affaires.

There is no dubiety that the media campaign against Novak powered by the governmental and rule party media and others which orb in it’s falk supported it’s thesis. It was busy with attacking Novak and harassing her instead of explaining the wrong thing in which she was talking about. It was thinking that in this way they will kill her theses against the corruption in the state.

Novak experience appeared through what she effecting and thrilling the official speech, which became known for all people nearly three weeks ago on «from Washington» show on the channel of Aljazeera. It became known the level of the governmental speech in Yemen for all around the world. The women did not gave anything new. She talked about gross (overall) of reports, news, studies, and writing that she referred to, and reproduced it in organized way. However, many opposition politicals, journalists, and public had written and spoken about different subjects more explicit than her. She collect all at one and produce it all at once without any consideration of redlines or being afraid from the official investigation. Also I think the foreign kink [or gnarl] participating in raising her ideas for the authority and the opposition. Especially that no one spoke seriously in the same serious and focus way that she did in a small period.

The «accusations kitchen» is not incompetent to insulting her. As the treason, stooge, and separatist are formal accuses for the opposition political and journalists, when they are talking about the corruption and reform, particularly this days. Novak got accuses something different to be corresponding with her state. She is Zionist, Free Mason, jobless, or [the one who work for money], who the USA Newspaper did not digested her articles, but she found a free space to publish it in the Yemen’s democracy fame of 170 Newspaper and only one Channel which became feudalist only for the authority and the rule party, and did not open it’s doors to hosting (receiving) oppositional members.

The attacks against Novak gave many services for her. It make her sure that she is in the truth bath after she received thanks and supporting letters from whom become interested on her opinions and make her on the front because of the media campaign. However, she was trending to praise the president Saleh and gave soft criticize for some actions discordant to his ambition [some thing he want to do].

I am not hiding the fact that the governmental media kails my attention to this woman. It also encourage me to search about her articles about Yemen, Iraq, Palestine and the Arab countries to stricture the accuses and try to know more about her, with the help of my weak English supported by many dictionaries to translating the Article not published in Arabic in Yemen.

The Beginning

Novak started writing articles, and she became more interested on the Middle East affaires after the attacks of 11 sep. she found that most of the terrorists were from this region. Then she focus on Yemen synchronizing with the growing democracy conference held in Sana’a on January 2004.

She noted that the prohibiting of the journalists and Non gov Orgs to participate on the conference is disaccording with the democratic ethics that Yemen goes through. Yemen was the typical sample of the growing democracies on the region.

Novak quoted a phrase of the president speech in the opening session of the conference. In her articles after the conference, She was point that president Saleh said that the democracy is the rescue ship for the regimes, and it is the choice for all people. In addition, she was criticized softly the abuses that may happened in the democracies, even it disaccording with that she was thinking Saleh is supporting it.

The Ship Sinking

When Al-khaiwani went to the jail, Novak began writing about his case. She was representing the American view that the society health and avoid the terror is with the free speech.

So Al-khaiwani’s jailing disaccording with the democratic principles that the president is caring about.

In most her article about AL-khaiwani’s case, she was appealing Saleh to interference to release him. At that time, she was not know the unlimited authorities of the president, which include Justice, Army forces, media, and others that she talked about in the show. She was only appealing Saleh mindful of the ship to not be sinking in the typical democracy in the region.

May be the president media secretary still remember that his English paper (Yemen observer) published an article entitled (Yemen in the spring) for the (jobless, and [the one who work for money]). It talked about the terror and the possibility of transferring the terrorists to Yemen if there was real democracy in Iraq. She quoted that from Zarqawi statement when he said that if the Iraqi Gov take control allover Iraq, and the occupation left it. Then he’ll leave to another country. So Novak said that the other country may be Yemen, because it suffering for the freedom, jailing journalists, and narrowing of the press freedom, which make the state wild environment for the terror growing, where the terrorists are exploiting the lack of freedom and the hate for the regimes to achieve their goals. However, she did not forget to mentions the rescue ship that Saleh talked about.

For knowledge, Novak was getting up in different times from the midnight to Al-fajr [aurora time or daybreak] when it is the time of the day broken in Yemen. She could not wait to the New Jersey morning (afternoon in Yemen) to read what she was expecting that the news’ll say about the releasing of Al-khaiwani. So these times became a habit for her that she was getting up even after the releasing of Al-khaiwani by presidential feted. She talked about this point in her blog. So we should understand that the different between the time zone of Sana’a and New Jersey is means the different between the human and the one who works for money.

With continuing of the trail drolly of Al-khaiwani and attacking the lawyers and the journalist in the court, Jane released that the ship is sinking in the corruption which is the ruler, and no existence of some thing named law.

The democracy and the unicorn in Yemen, and the justice in Yemen, which published in Al-wasat News paper, in these articles she announces her actual oppose for the Yemeni regime representing by president Saleh .

Both articles were the beginning of Novak getting out all her hate against corruption and rights abuses and freedom theft in Yemen.

Novak and Sistani

When Al-khaiwani became outside the prison with synchronizing of the beginning of Sada’a events, Novak started writing about the afflictions that escort it. She was writing also from human view. She ignored the two parts in the war, even she look sympathetic something to Al-huthi’s group more than the government.

May be the Sistani’s situation, who is peaceful ally to the USA , was one of the impetuses which make Novak write about Sa’ada as a kind of accuses to the government to perpetrate copulative destroying War. She referred that to the Sistani statement which accused the Yemeni government by leading copulative destroying against the Shiite in Sa’ada in the war, where the other front was calling for Killing for the USA. However, now the prominent leaders of them trend to the Sistani behavior in dealing with America, leaving Hizbullah ideology. And they are spending their days transferring from Europe to USA complaining their government [Yemeni] , which the war against them for their enemies to USA and trilling the yelling against USA.

The journalism.. busy cares

Novak report about the journalism in Yemen, which came after the kidnapping event of Jamal Amer The editor of Al-wasat, which synchronizing with a hot week against the journalism freedom, which reach out to Al-Nneda newspaper, AP office, Khaled Al-hammadi the reporter of Alquds Al-Arabi, and the Panorama of Al-thawry trails in 13 cases. The report was bigot to the journalists tribe, it defense their rights of exposing the corruption, and doing their reports without any restrictions.

It was noticed that she assuring the journalists rights to publish the article they want in the same manner they hurt for. She reported many names that incuded in Al-wasat investigation. She also talked about the army forces that Al-hammadi kidnapped for publishing it’s news, as it took a forth of the state budget. She also indicate the last corruption report that Al-thawry stuff were in the court because of it.

That report was the beginning sign to the governmental and the rule party to start the front against her. Zionist and free mason was the way to attack the American journalist, who wrote the best analysis report about the journalism freedom in Yemen. It prove that the woman became expert of the nature of the existing regime, and that make the rule media angry[mad].

Al-wahda and Abu Gharib culture

It was more notable that the official Newspaper Al-wahda published snapshot in the last page entitled “Novak and Abu Gharib culture”. It said that Novak must writing about the crimes in Abu Gharib prison and Guantanamo and criticizing the Regime in the USA before she write about Yemen.

It is true, regarding this article writer, that what happened in Guantanamo and Abu Gharib prison are a crimes against humanity, but I think their crimes are less lurid than whom torture their own people to take an avowal of some conviction in the Yemeni prisons. However, the Americans dealing with the arrested persons as enemies. We did not hear that the any American security member torture American or foreign detainees in the local American prisons as the security members did with the youth person Sami Yassein Al-sharjabi in Taiz, or what the Political security members did with the detainees on the Sa’ada events.

There is no right for Novak to write about Yemen while there are American army members torture their enemies in Abu Gharib prison and others. But there are rights for Al-wahda Newspaper and the gov and rule media to ignore the court of the security members accused with the torturing Sami Al-sharjabi. They came to the court with their military clothes and aglets[like captain, lieutenant, or general on the military] with out any justice to reach them, even Sami still spastic on his bed since 2001.

For the knowledge, Novak wrote an article about Iraq on the last of 2003 entitled lets the Iraqi kids growing in a free country. She assure their rights of free life of both Saddam and the occupation. She did not wrote that in the part of defense her self from the Yemeni official accuses, but in believing of the right of the Iraqi nation of the freedom.

Also the «Zionist» wrote about Palestine in neutral way better than some of the nationalist claimants and the blesses protection. In one of her articles, she criticized the American website which show a pictures of kids with bumps and jeering of them saying«rescue the Palestinians kids». Her view is that those kids needs more care to be peaceful not jeering or displacing.

The Democracy of Waq Al-waq

The minister of the external (foreign affaires)Dr Abu Bakr Al-qerbi was true when he said that implementing the democracy in Yemen is not easy thing. Al-sanabani speech and the prohibiting Dr Mohammad Al-motawakil from participating on Al-jazeera show via the Yemeni Channel feudal prove that the democracy really is not easy thing. It is impossible to be achieved IN THE POWER OF THE DUET[the two] tribe and corruption.

Al-qirbi looks grimly after reviewing reports that did not talk about Yemen except when talking about corruption, terror, and rarely fighting the terror. He found him self plunging[it means must do something that not believable] on changing the reports that pointing to the corruption and the lack of transparency. He said that most of the reports was positive but the oppositions, may be include Aljazeera and Novak, did not point any positive thing, but all is negative with them. I do not know why the government and the rule party paper did not explaning the positive things in the repots. May be it did not have the time to do that. It is busy in promoting the swear and treason culture and attacking others. And if it promote it’s performance it will be into extolling the ruler[president] and speaking about the phantasmic achievements and establishments[projects] and it’s influence in the people life.

The democracy remains potential thing regarding the authority while it did not criticize any corruption, nepotism, ignore the thefting of the general budget , and commit the criticize in the manner that the authority put it. And the operations rooms for chastisement in the wait state for the accuses kitchen which produced by the government and rule party media. Then it will start it’s job of kidnapping, threatening, and theft, after the accuses go out.

The democracy still phantasm in the life of the people, whom hoping to back to the extensiveness era, which was better regarding them in their lived level. But according to the authority the democracy is a way to bring the gifts, loans, and cultivating the policy of corruption, theft, hungering , and Also it will throwing them to the woes of economic crisis, where the people won’t be the only damaged alone, in the long term at least.

The opposition still smaller than to talk about and it’s relations to the democracy in it’s current state. And I do not know when the democracy claimants will release that the democracy is compeer[analog] with the transparency and there is no corruption on the democracies.

I’m really very astounded by this article, and very honored, and furthermore it confirms nearly everything Im thinking about the true nature of the tyranical, corrupt Yemeni regime and the false nature of democracy in Yemen.

And everything he says is true: I did have insomnia when I was doing the petition for al-Khaiwani. I didnt understand yet about the regime when I wrote the al-Khaiwani articles and I thought Saleh must just be confused about the role of the free press in a democracy. The article he notes, Democracy and Unicorns in Yemen, is the exact moment I woke up: the first line is, if I recall correctly, “What a good con artist that President Saleh is. He had me fooled for a while.” And everything else is spot on as well.

46 Comments »

1

Comment by Emad

12/16/2005 @ 2:08 pm

Ok, he forget telling us that Novak every thing.
She is Human, but the others are animals.
It is not fact that the democracy in Yemen only lay.
If it lay who will allow this crazy guy to write that and insulting the president.
still one thing Mohammad did not tell us that Novak is working for international peace and She is the mother for all Yemenis, which could not sleep if they outside their homes.
Mohammad wrote with the foreign love That he talked about. he is the first one who very happy to lsten to the foriens. or why he defense Jane.
Mohammad is unknown person. May be Novak Asked him to write that to make her picture better in Yemen. It is the fact only.

2

Comment by Emad

12/16/2005 @ 2:16 pm

Also, Novak known that she hate Palestinians. He may took only the part which talked about something good and left the most . And is there any person not crazy who think the kids on five years are terrorists.

3

Comment by Emad

12/16/2005 @ 2:21 pm

Huh, he said novak loves Iraq. now she love Iraq under the occuation and the terror.
Saddam ara better than The occupation era.
let the Iraqi childs growing in a free country, I do not know who is said that. The article was worse than the ccupation. but only had a bright title. Novak was very happy previously that only 10% of Iraqis want the USA to leave. this vote may be done by the USA army.

4

Comment by alhareeth

12/16/2005 @ 2:49 pm

jane novak does not any one to talk about here because she became a famous figure in supporting the yemen people againest the corrupt and dectator regime. even if she have opinions on the iragis and palstenean issue opposite to ours we cant
ask here to have our point of view in all aspects we can have dailogue with here but still we respect here stand with the people of yemen in their struggle for freedom of speach and human right and free of corruption country
regime is feeling the effect mrs novak is making so they have assigned some employee to make such replies as above

5

Comment by Emad

12/16/2005 @ 3:02 pm

Hi, Alhareeth, many may asked her visa or to write with them. like Alhithis.
I hope you are not one of them.

6

Trackback by Searchlight Crusade

12/16/2005 @ 4:15 pm

Links and Minifeatures 12 16 Friday

Camp Katrina wrote to tell us to compare and contrast the treatment the media gives conservatives with a given problem, with the treatment they give l…

7

Comment by Jon

12/16/2005 @ 5:26 pm

Oh Emad, isn’t it just terrible when the truth about your president is becoming known. I do believe it is the international organizations that listed your country as becoming more corrupt, less transparent and a greater human rights violator. And who is to blame for this travesty – H.E. Pres Ali Saleh. Ask H.E. why the WB cut aid by 34%. Ask H.E. why your country didn’t qualify for the MDC. Ask H.E. why your country is on it’s third 5 year plan. Ask H.E. why your country is continually dropping in the most corrupt country ratings and is fast approaching becoming the worst in the world. Then report your findings.

If you should feel that you do not have to answer to the world, the quit asking the world to support you.

8

Comment by Jane

12/16/2005 @ 6:15 pm

The article was worse than the occupation….thats actually funny.

9

Trackback by Little Miss Attila

12/16/2005 @ 8:06 pm

Amazing Yemeni Article

. . . on Jane’s work to help the people of Yemen. She has an English translation of it up on her site….

10

Comment by alhareth

12/17/2005 @ 12:38 am

i am mr emad will have his comments printed out so that he could show his superior officials his work to get a financial reward.
if jane novak is not very famous in yemen then why would the regime people would annoy themselves and assign people like you to offnd miss novak to get her stop writing about yemen if she is not famous as you say why boither your self comment on this artical just forget it

reg irag and palstenean issue i think we share many veiw on these two cases

we yemen people and miss jane novak are againest attaking civilians againest
toturing prisoners againest killing hostiges even military pesonals

11

Comment by Emad

12/17/2005 @ 3:05 am

I am here, it is not means that it is important for Novak. I am here just for fun with the silly guys.

12

Comment by Troll

12/17/2005 @ 3:11 am

Mohammad Ezz, you wasted your time if it true that Novak did not write it. and the translation Drama Just to be believable.
it will be nicer if Jane published the orginal article.
there is no need to write that. because all people know who is Jane, and what she wants frm Yemen.

13

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/17/2005 @ 5:06 am

Well, Thank you very much for Mrs Jane for translating the article. also thank you for every one who added his comments.
Then, I want to tell everyone that i wrote the article not for Jane.
I wrote it for the Yemeni audience to know the fact.
I really was thinking that Novak is a member of E-back org i think, zionist, and free masoon.
But at the end it just was the accuses kitchen which produce that accuses just for saying your different opinion.
My friends, no needs to replay Emad and his friend. the Rule party paper is full with their writings(not him exactly). I am sorry to tell you that. But they want to tell the world who silly they are.
I wrote my own article for the poor people in Yemen. I want to tell them the fact. I was interesting in writing my article without any emotion. So I just contact Jane after the publing my article on Al-shoura and Al-NNida ,weekly news paper. I critisized Novak at many sentences on the article.
I wrote my e-mail on the article, for every one who has a note,but it did not wrote in the translation(Mohezz2010@yahoo.com).
So let Mr Emad talk as he want. just read and lough. you should not waste your time argue someone not accountable.
Thank you again.

14

Comment by Dr. Osama Alkibsy

12/17/2005 @ 7:32 am

Thaks very much Jane.
No doubt this is anew style of governing formulated by a modern hero
all his credentials is killing the legitemate presedent “ALHAMDY” and his crew. He is so brilliant to make use of the organization-phobia of the tribes specially A/ALLA ALAHMAR.
The essense of tis model is DECEPTION always say but dont care about your truth> Just use the money of the people to deceive them. YOU can deceive the outside world including that stupid one eyed giant, America. Depend on the America phobia to show the exteremists that you are the hero who protects them and that you are capable to challenge the USA and the whole international word since you are the head of an independent soverign state and accompany Zindany to Makkah conference to give Algaida and Taliban and the Afagan Arabs IDEOLOGY OF KILLING NON-MOSLIMS;IMS fighting in Iraq to ammend the principals of islamic culture according to the conceptions by Zindany, the thinker founder of Iman university. By doing this, enslave Zindani and the extermists and utilize them without the usual mediation role of shiekh ALahmar. In the same time depending on the terrorist phobia deceive America and the West and let them believe that you are the only capable leader in the Arab world that can prevent the terrorists from destroying the western civilization. Also formulate a dialouge commitee headed by the corrupted ignorant judge who hate the Hashimites “Hmoud Al-Hitar” to bribe the imprisoned exteremists and convince them that ALI ABDALLAH SALIH is indeed the IMMAMMATE leader of the Mslims and they should obey him by the will of ALLAH ALMIGHTY . Then you can controleverybody and becone the boss of them all. Before that you have to deceive the Hashimites that you are against Islah and decieve Islah that you are fighting the Hashimites in Saadah.

15

Comment by Jane

12/17/2005 @ 7:51 am

Dr. Osama, I understand you completely.
He is really quite talented. I call him the king of propaganda.

Mohammed, even if you didnt write this for me, I appreciate someone explaining something about how this whole thing with me started, considering I seem to confuse so many people as to my motivation. Really its only to say the situation of the people to the best of my understanding, because no one else is saying it.

Many people focus on the journalism pricipal of “the right of the people to know.” But there is also “the right of the people to be heard.” In the West there is almost no coverage of Yemen. And what there was was regime propaganda. Once I knew it was false, I felt obligated.

For your information, the only political or civil society organzation I belong to is the Parents Teachers Association for my childrens school, and the reason is because they call the members when school is cancelled for the snow.

16

Comment by Jane

12/17/2005 @ 8:02 am

Also Dr. Kibsy, its very funny, when Hittar was in the US several days ago he requested to meet me, to discuss and dialog with me. But I couldnt make it to DC because my husband comes home from work later than my kids get home from school.

But I wrote back to the embassy that Im willing to hear what he has to say and he should email me, but what about dialog outside prison. And then I gave a list. No answer yet.

17

Comment by Jane

12/17/2005 @ 8:06 am

al hareeth by the way, you are correct, the way i think about it is civilians have a right to immunity and protection from terrorists, other governments, and peoples own governments.

Also this is the link to the article in Arabic.

18

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/17/2005 @ 9:26 am

Dr Osama Al-Kibsy Is one of the Hashimites and me too. and it is a honor for me that.
But I hate the style of writing only about my family.
What happened in Sada’a may be reapeted in Taiz or Aden at the same time the doubts come to the authority that there is danger against it.
There is no targets against Hashimites Dr. The target is for all Yemenis. Saleh did not respect Sultan Al-ssameai the parliament member of the Socialist party when he wrote a small article about the reform on Al-shoura. they Attacked him and said he is traitorous. and he emit a killing case against him which solved on 1993 by his brother Ali Mohsen.
So I hope to develope our goals to talk about Yemen including the president tribe(Hashid), and his village Sanhan. Not every Hashidi is against us and most of them seperate with us in many cases.

19

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/17/2005 @ 10:57 am

I am also Hashimites from Al-Islah party, and I hope that will not be depressed from Zindani travel with president Saleh to Makkah, As we didn’t get depressed from Shiite religious scientists with the president Saleh to Iran two years ago. I hope that neither Islah party nor Zindani will take the responsibility of Sadda War between the authority and its previouse allies.

20

Comment by beautifulatrocities

12/17/2005 @ 4:44 pm

I happen to know Jane paid the author not to mention her atrocious taste in footwear

21

Comment by Jane

12/17/2005 @ 5:41 pm

Boots, better for kicking.

The Manolos dont have quite the same impact.

22

Comment by Tom the Redhunter

12/18/2005 @ 9:58 pm

Good heavens Jane. Your blog reminds me of National Geographic; great articles but some awfully whacky letters (not all, just some).

Keep fighting the good fight.

23

Comment by Jane

12/18/2005 @ 10:17 pm

Thanks Tom, it is a good fight that Im honored to be in. I love the letters and the comments. Even the nasty ones let me know Im on the right track. But the nice ones are really nice.

24

Comment by yaseen

12/19/2005 @ 4:52 pm

Also, Novak known that she hate Palestinians.

he is the first one who very happy to lsten to the foriens.

even if she have opinions on the iragis and palstenean issue opposite to ours we cant

again ,,hafiz of aljazera asking >why jane decides to write about yemen …

the end of history for Francis ,,finally proved to be untrue ,,Jane ,before you continue playing the role of the godmother to Yemenis (not Mafia but Zionism this time),,try to write and come up with the new theory (the end of geography) ..then find out if it is true ,,well ,what are you doing means you believe in the end of geography ,,in spite of Francis great effort ,still his theory not true ,,can u do some thing like that of Francis ,,I doubt ,,and if u done it ,,in advance I believe this theory is false.
So I believe and millions of Yemenis that all these writings and works are pointless on no base, no specific philosophy, on no fact, none can build and develop on such hollow base.

25

Comment by Jane

12/19/2005 @ 8:03 pm

Gee Yaseen, what happened dude? You’re barely comprehensible. Were you sick?

26

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/19/2005 @ 8:14 pm

It is true none can build and develop on such hollow base. the hollow base is that there is someone who praising The regime like you Mr Yassein. I am sorry that i am answering you. but You make a bad imperssion about Yemeneis.
We talked about the corruption in our country, if you are Yemeni. and talked about the syptom of insulting others whom had their own opinions.
So it is Good that Novak did not argue with you my friend. I may look silly with that. But I’ll try if you want to understand.

27

Comment by Jon

12/19/2005 @ 10:30 pm

I think Yaseen have too much special qat at GPC conference.

28

Comment by Jane

12/19/2005 @ 10:37 pm

Hi Mohammed, dont worry about this guy. He’s been coming around for months praising Saleh and Ali Mohsen. Normally he says wild stuff like there never can be democracy in yemen so I should learn to love saleh and mohsen. They are good for the US. That why Im wondering if he’s unwell now.

Jon maybe there was qat at the conference, but Yassin is in Jordan, where there’s good doctors fortunately.

29

Comment by Jon

12/19/2005 @ 11:28 pm

Jordan, great place, wonderful people and good doctors. Also the place Yemeni’s have to go for good health care.

30

Comment by yaseen

12/20/2005 @ 6:34 am

Dear brother Mohmmed Ezz.
I did not try to insult any one; I was just giving my opinion on such work which I see on no specific philosophy. Praising so to speak the historic leader Ali Saleh, well don’t u think praising him is part of democracy? By the way, I have no problem listening to Yemenis criticizing corruption, because I m one of them, even the historic leader Ali saleh speaks out against the corruption. He just assigned independent committee to find out the roots of corruption. But finally you are Yemeni; you have every right to say whatever you want, since we have established democracy in our country.

I m just wondering ,how come about American journalist who seems to be approving Bush administration policies in the Arab world , how come about her happens to be writing about Yemen and Yemen’s officials in such way ,,,I m saying it is better she talks about bush’s plan to attack Aljazeera ,instead of writing about capturing abdua alkaraim ,,better she writes about Abu Graib rather than sa’ada , ,,that s why I was asking about (the end of geography) ,I mean are we living in era that no thing is called countries ,,any one from anywhere can just come and talk about any country as if he was born there just because we have got the enabling technology for that .for me ,,in advance I believe such theory is false and any work on such base is useless.

31

Comment by Jane

12/20/2005 @ 6:50 am

Thats a little clearer Yaseen, so then you think only Americans or people who visited the US are allowed to criticize Bush, and only Yemenis or people who visited Yemen are allowed to criticize Saleh.

Also thats pretty funny about the corruption commission Yaseen, theres 65 cases in 2005 totaling over billions (YR) and no prosecution. The cases dealt with the ministries. In 2006, COCA did seriously a good job with I think 55 cases in the first six months.

32

Comment by yaseen

12/20/2005 @ 7:30 am

Jane, I never said we can not have democracy in Yemen, well, we are already in the way …I said, it is impossible that Americans play the role of democracy guardian in Yemen or any Arabic country else.
I explained why, particularly the problem of America relation with Muslim movement in the Mideast such as (the Muslim brotherhood movement). yes of course according to some resources ,,Kondi Rice was trying to convince ur administration men to accept Muslim brotherhood in movement ,,but rumsfeld and cheny don’t like such idea ,,well means ,,ur democracy tends to exclude Aleslah party that have millions of followers in Yemen. And there are many things make it impossible for America to be the guardian of democracy.

And then come on, you are acting as if you came from the world of paradise heaven ,,whereas the angels are living and suddenly u arrived Yemen, the country of devils ,playing the role of savior (or the godmother )to Yemenis.

Well, leave it off
We know u Americans as, who killed millions of Indian within one week, you who used the nuclear bomb against Japan (there was no need for such strategic military act)
You Americans who ignored the Israeli nuclear program by saying (thanks) to your Mukhbarart as informing you about Israel program.

America helped Israel against our holy places and people as well in Palestine ,,and and and ,,150,000 innocent killed in Iraq ,,and ,,well I feel tired I gotta stop.

Jane, the history and geography don’t come to an end.

33

Comment by yaseen

12/20/2005 @ 7:45 am

Jane ,Jon, Yes true ,I am in Jordan, I have not come here to see doctors ,thanks god I enjoy good health ,I had scholarship to the united state to study in one university but unfortunately or fortunately because of what happened on11 sep I could not, then I unfortunately found I m here in Jordan ,thanks god I never seen a doctor ,,but for you Jan ,Jon ,,what about DR. Phil or Philb ,,he is psychologist ..I watch him, he is interesting, I advise you to go to him, really u need that. I mean Jon will feel good as he meets DR Phil

34

Comment by yaseen

12/20/2005 @ 8:05 am

Jane ,,not exactly that ,,you can criticize some phenomenon in Yemen in one article ,,two articles ,,but if u decides to become entirely on Yemen affairs ,then you should do your best to be professional in writing, simply because you are writing to people who belong to different civilization ,culture, and country ,they also may have say about your country policies ,so if u say abdu al karaim ,they would say Abu Garib ,,

Jane ,once I read article for Seymour Hersh about our brothers in Saudi Arabia (the corruption of royal family in Saudi Arabia) .but indeed Seymour Hersh was doing very fine ,because he was really professional in stating his points.

Also Tomas Friedman criticizes some Arab countries..But all what they do come out of no hatred like your writing against our historic leaders.
We are still nationalistic, and I believe the devil of Yemen is better than the angel of America, make allowance for that, the enabling technology does not give you the right to act as a Yemeni.

35

Comment by yaseen

12/20/2005 @ 8:20 am

Also the place Yemeni’s have to go for good health care.

Jon, has not the historic leader done for you (the Germany Saudian hospital)
Cant u say THANKS?
yemenis dont have to go for health care ..for you information ,all arab countries tend to send students ppl for health care ,tourists to jordan ,bcz jordan has no natural resources ,,all arab countries gotta help jordan.

36

Comment by Jon

12/20/2005 @ 10:55 am

Thank you to Germany and Saudi Arabia for the hospital you built in Sanaa. Without your generous donations and people, there would be no health care in the country.

But what Jordan does have is a very progressive leader who is attempting to build his country into a commerce center such as Abu Dhabi and Dubai since Beirut is no longer, thanks to you know who.

And Dr. Phil, cool guy

37

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/20/2005 @ 2:29 pm

Ok, Thank you very much. I am respecting your opinions. but you shuld understand that the crims of Bush and his administration get many critisize by the American journalists and Arab politicals.
In Yemen most of the gov journalists talking about Bush and they became experts on. But we did not hear any one from the USA saying why you did not wrote about Yemen and your own nation.
Yassein, the crims is the crims in Sa’ada or against Al-khaiwani or Al-jazeera. in the Yemeni prisons or In abu Gharib and Guantanamo.
The Terror is the same even in Sada’a or in Iraq.
Mohammad, it is not a crime for Novak or any American person the attacks on Iraq. And with tens of millions Americans Jane critisize the Yemeni regime and we all attacking her, while our different papers, and the expperts on the USA policies with me and you insulting Bush every day.
Jane should take her free interests as she want. and we should respect that. Thank you My dear Yassein.

38

Comment by Mohammad Ezz

12/20/2005 @ 2:59 pm

Reagarding the Islamic movements Mr, Mohammad. I know the USA will support it and the democracy if it only corresponding with it’s interests. I did not saying that. there is an independent committee(of course not like ours) which analysis the USA supporting to Democracy. It may be afraid from Ikhwan group and Islah in Yemen. But the people will talk on the eyes of our regimes. and it USA could not ignored them.
when the USA include Zindani in the terror list. I hope that you did not forget the drama of the rule party on his website Amomotamar.net. you know they said that zindani has a military forces in his university. and attacking him. he was planning to go to the court. But the security kitchen make a threat letter to the website editor which said that they will attacking him. two days later the website were on the party of dinner and then someone bomping them. they were so lucky the bomp was near them exactly but no one killed, or injured. Of course they became heros and did not accused zindani of his students.
what i want to say is the usa Acuses against Yemenis made by the support Yemeni authority. which investigate it in the short time. But it damage Yemen on the long time. Al-huthi was made by the authority. it playing with the fire. And it is the most damaged by it’s policies(curroption).
what i want to say is Jane and other Americans are our friends. however, our enemy is not the usa admin, it is the USA unfair policy as well as our authority policy.
Jane and every American should wrote anything they want. and we should respect their opinions as well as their friendship.

39

Comment by yaseen

12/21/2005 @ 9:56 am

Jon, u believe Jordan has got great leader, well, is Abdullah bin alhussen ur symbol of good leadership??king Abdullah ,,for Jordanians none can mention his name without prayers and glorifications ,the one who has the worst jails in the world ,it is not secret that human rights in Jordan jails is so trouble ,in one program of aljazeera ,proved that 80% of Jordanians can not say their opinions about their regime ,which you enjoy saying any thing about Ali saleh ,and other officials ,
Well ,in Jordan I m wondering how they live ,,there is still some one superior ,who has got some holiness ,all the wisdom on the earth is in his mind ,if he says any thing none has the right to argue ,I hope u know that 2days ago 6 Jordanian were arrested and subject to the court just because they were not talking properly about the king

King ,queen ,,monarchy ,,keep praising the king and his kids ,,is this what u are looking for ,,do u see how Yemenis enjoy giving their opinions about Ahmed Ali freely ,Yemenis have the choice weather to accept Ahmed or to reject him ,,do u think this is possible in Jordan ,,,well I m really badly surprised that u think Abdullah bin alhussen is good leader ,,most probably ,you are not on democracy values ,progress ,you just hate Ali Saleh any way ,that does not make sense ,,please try to live in Jordan for 3 months and find out how trouble life the poor Jordanians have ,,particularly Palestinians (who are so oppressed and unfortunately none want to play the godmother role to them ,like Jane for example) just because their king is approved by the Israel and Zionism lobby in DC.

But still it is good u let us know what kind of democracy you are looking for. I think the historic leader Ali Saleh can not get you happy with him, but if he allow Israel in Aden, and allow pentagon to do any operations against any Yemeni with usa airplane (for example assassinating alzandani).by doing that and little more, u will be happy with him, even if he convert the political system in Yemen from democracy and peaceful handover of power to monarchy like the royal family in Jordan,,,

40

Comment by Jane

12/21/2005 @ 12:41 pm

Yaseen, tell me more about the Palestinians in Jordan. I was talking about that yesterday to someone. Give me concrete examples if you would of their situation.

41

Comment by Jon

12/21/2005 @ 3:33 pm

Gosh, Yaseen, sounds like you just decribed life in Yemen, there it against the law to say anything wrong about the pres, his family, the govt or any Arab nation. So there goes the cornerstone of democracy your historic leader so proudly conveys to anyone who will listen.

Which is a more progressive city, Amman or Sanaa. And they have done that without the oil reserves your country has. What Saleh needs to do is give back to the people of his country, build them an infrastructure, incorporate all in the political process, and not base it on what family or tribe they are from. Democracy is also following the laws set out by the peoples representatives and that no one, no matter what position, is above the law.

All that needs to be done is to actually do what your historic leader tells the world and his people what he plans to do. Knowing full well he is just saying what he knows the others wants to hear at the moment, but in actuality, has no plans to implement. It isn’t a fluke that the MCC and The WB cut off or slashed aid to the country.

And why is it evertime a person is critical of the regime, they are automatically called a ” Zionist” There are problems on both sides of that issue.

42

Comment by yaseen

12/24/2005 @ 4:27 pm

Jane, well, of course there are many issues about how wrong Palestinians (the real machine for Jordan economy) are treated.

Although Palestinians are 75% of the total population in Jordan. They suffer economic discrimination in areas such as appointments to positions in the Government and the military, in admittance to public universities, and in the granting of university scholarships. Politically, as well, Palestinians suffer restrictions and social exclusion. Although they constitute about 75% or 80% of the total population, the Palestinians contributed 6 of 28 ministers. In the Parliament, 6 of 40 senators and 11 of 80 lower house members were of Palestinian background. No Palestinians held any of the governorships in Jordan. In the electoral system, greater representation is given to regions with non-Palestinian populations. Additionally, approximately 150,000 Palestinian residents – mostly refugees or children of refugees who arrived from Gaza after 1967 – do not qualify for citizenship.

The Jordanian state is repressive, there are documented recent occurrences of arrests .There have been other instances of repression in recent years. On October 6, 2000, police used batons and tear gas to disperse protesters in the Baqaa refugee camp; ten persons were killed and forten others were injured during the protest. In April 2002, a Palestinian two children died of head injuries sustained when they were hit by a tear gas canister fired by riot police who were breaking up an anti-Israeli demonstration in the Palestinian Bakaa refugee camp.

This is just what I can remember now, there are a lot to say ,that is why I asked Jon to come here for 2 months ,well they very trouble life ,some friend( Palestinian ) of mine told me, that he really can not live under such situations and discrimination any more ,he said, even the financial helps Jordan gets from countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ,we don’t benefit from ,since every thing good here in Jordan go to the king and Jordanians pockets ,he continued ,I feel we as Palestinians have no future ,this is not our country ,I feel I have no way but joining up Alzaraqwai ,I tried my best to assure him every thing will be fine ,but could not.
I feel very trouble as I go to places like sweileh ,alsalt .alzarqa ,there I see very hard working men and women but unfortunately they are deprived of their rights ,one old man told me ,as he became sure that I am Yemeni and have no thing to do with Jordan intelligence (Mukhabarat) he told me ,we work days and nights and still the government comes and take 65% of my earning, on the other hand the Jordanians have the right to cheat around the system….

One friend of mine told me that his girlfriend was kidnapped and raped by some one (Jordanian) he told me that her family tried to go to the court and use the known procedures ,but unfortunately they were told to forget about it because the boy is the son of high Jordanian man close the royal family in Jordan. My friend told me, in fact we don’t know is his father really close to the royal family or the policemen think we are as Palestinians belong to the 2nd class. Any way I believe every thing in Jordan should change including such dirty royal family and wrong king.

There are many books written by Palestinians (who lived in Jordan) about such trouble life for Palestinians in Jordan, books with many real examples, one of them is (the crimes of assassinating integrity in Jordan). There are many scary examples in this book, other books unfortunately in Arabic, I was told that these books are not translated into English .one book is (Jordan to where)

43

Comment by yaseen

12/24/2005 @ 4:40 pm

Jon, u asked me, which is a more progressive city, Amman or Sana’a?
Wallah Sana’a is better; I don’t know what you think Amman is.

Jordan ,the whole country is just like Hadermout in Yemen ,well ,,I don’t want to argue any more about Amman and Sana’a simply because I don’t think it is the right argument, 2nd ,there is no way to compare country like Yemen( thousands years ago, historical one ,place of Arab civilization, so on ) with Jordan (some decades ago, was built through deal with Zionists).Jordan is not a country ,I think one day ,Jordan will be real states ,some go for Syria ,other for Iraq ,and some for Saudi Arabia ,the remaining is for Palestine. So believe me no thing is called Jordan, the situations may explode and every thing get fucked up as geopolitics get radical change in the region.

44

Comment by Jane

12/24/2005 @ 6:41 pm

Yaseen thanks for that explanation about the Palestinians in Jordan. I didnt realize they were actually that high of a percetnage of the population and so under-represented in the govt and have that much of a discrimination. I had a more general idea before. Thats worse for them than I thought. I’ll check into the books.

45

Comment by Jon

12/25/2005 @ 12:43 pm

Thank you Yaseen for a meaningful dialog on the issue. I have been to Amman a few times and the Jordanians I know are very good people. Maybe first impressions can be deceiving. As I also lived in Yemen for quiet a few years and had the opportunity of getting to travel the country. But since I arrived in country until I left, I witnessed the corruption expanding in leaps and the people becoming more disillutioned as to what the furture holds for them.

46

Trackback by Searchlight Crusade

9/11/2007 @ 6:14 pm

Links and Minifeatures 12 16 Friday

Camp Katrina wrote to tell us to compare and contrast the treatment the media gives conservatives with a given problem, with the treatment they give liberals with the exact same problem. In other words: Oh. That liberal media bias. **********…

RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI

Leave a comment

XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

 

Bad Behavior has blocked 3314 access attempts in the last 7 days.