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Two Students at Dar al Hadeth Islamic Institute, Dammaj Killed in Weapons Training Incident

Filed under: Religious, Saada War, state jihaddists — by Jane Novak at 7:16 am on Tuesday, October 13, 2009

The shooter was a British student. Al Hadath is the site (listed as govt affiliated, not Houthi) that published the following, and this may be the direct link to the article:

The death of two students in training camps Dammaj Salafi Saada

تاريخ النشر: 2009-10-12 Date Published: 2009-10-12

لقي اثنين من الطلاب الدارسين بدار الحديث بصعدة مصرعهم صباح اليوم الاثنين على يد زميلا لهم يدرس في الدار . Least two of the students studying modern Dar Saada died early Monday morning at the hands of their colleagues studying in the home.

وأكدت مصادر مطلعة أن الطالبان قتلا برصاص زميلهما أثناء عمليات التدريب على استخدام الأسلحة المتوسطة والقنص في دار الحديث التابع لجماعة الوهابيين بمنطقه دماج . Well-informed sources that the Taliban were shot dead by colleague during training in the use of medium weapons and hunting in the modern home of the Wahhabi group Dammaj area.

وكشفت المصادر إن الطالب الذي أطلق النار على زملائه عربي ويحمل الجنسية البريطانية والمقتولين أحدهما من أبناء يافع والآخر من صعدة. The sources revealed that the student who opened fire on his fellow Arab and holds British citizenship, and killed one of our young and the other from Saada.

يذكر أن مركز الوهابيين أو ما يسمى بالسلفيين بمحافظة صعدة يمد قوات الجيش بمقاتلين في المواجهات الدائرة مع أتباع الحوثي . The status of the so-called Wahhabis salafis Sa’ada governorate extends Army fighters in the confrontations with the followers of Huthi.

Dammaj in Sa’ada is the flagship school of the Dar al Hadeth network of Salafi Islamic Institutes. There are eight main schools (not including the Marib school led by the Egyptian al Masri who is an outcast), in addition to publishing houses and dozens of smaller outposts. The leading scholars of the main schools visit the other schools for specialized lessons. The combined number of students among the eight schools is probably several thousand but not all get weapons training. Related:

Days before September’s federal election, authorities in five German states raided 19 apartments belonging to suspected Islamists. The respected German newspaper, Die Frankfurter Allgemeine, reported that the raids targeted German converts who were recruiting for a Koran school in Yemen. The paper quoted sources from German security circles who maintained the school’s operators are closely connected with al Qaeda and suspected the school also serves as a military training camp for “numerous converts from Europe and the United States.”

Dar al Hadeth does train many foreigners, including Americans. (Its a good idea to keep an eye on anyone who changes their name from Carlos to Mujahid ). The school receives support and protection on many levels from the Yemeni government itself, some quite overt like jobs for its graduates. Other support includes weapons and physical protection by security forces. There have been some incidents of clashes with the Houthi rebels. Funding for the schools operations also comes from Saudi and the Gulf. Many of the Yemenis held at Gitmo were sent to Afghanistan from Dammaj, which the US military describes as a known terror training facility.

Update: 9/27/09 AFP article, google translated from German:

According to “FAS” suspected of converts, “are promoting an Islamist center in Yemen.” When the prime suspect if it were the Germans, Alexander F. from the southern half Weilheim, who had long resided in Yemen. Together with two German Islamists from Freiburg, who both live in Yemen, he had recruited converts and other Muslims from Germany to attend the Dar-ul-Hadith madrasa in Dammaj.

The operators of the school in the Yemeni civil war area maintained “close ties to al Qaeda,” the newspaper reported. It was believed that “military training camps were connected to the school.” In the madrasa, according to abide by the “FAS” quoted security circles many converts from Europe and the United States. Including ten Muslims in Germany should be, among them six converts. Several people whose homes were searched, are also close links to one of the suitcase bomb from Cologne have had. ”

10 Comments »

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Comment by Ali Shaibi

10/14/2009 @ 10:00 am

I have so much respect for you Jane Novak. However, after reading your article about Dar al Hadeth I was astonished of the inaccuracy in the report. You mentioned “Many of the Yemenis held at Gitmo were sent to Afghanistan from Dammaj”. I dare you to name one single GITMO prisoner that was student at Dar al Hadeth.

I am now starting to question your credibility. Please try to investigate before posting.

Once of the main philosophy at Dar al Hadeth is not to interfere in what is called “Jihadi conflicts”.

I hope you read this and respond to my email if you want.

Regard,

Ali Shaibi

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Comment by Jane Novak

10/14/2009 @ 11:30 am

Some of the ones that are still in Gitmo have this as part of their history. I will try to find an article that summarizes it, but there’s a database at the New York Times, click this, that has a lot of information. I dont just make these things up Ali. And yes, I’m aware that al Hajooree has disputes with al Masiri accusing him of being an extremist and inciting the Marib students toward Jihad and DAr al Hadeth’s philosophy says this is wrong. And they criticize al Zindani and others for political participation. Its a strong, influential and well funded school with international connections in a very remote area, and there’s thousands of students and many branches throughout Yemen. You don’t think there could be a few mixed in who accept the bin Laden philosphy? Of five thousand students, could there be 100? 50? Many of the foreign students didn’t have a a strong Islamic upbringing in an Islamic country. They could be swayed. The teachings of the head of the school are against going to Jihad now but maybe some others are saying different things. You don’t think that’s possible? Why are they training with guns? Do you think the leadership of the real al Qaeda would see this huge pool of Salafi students with western passports without trying to get to some of them?

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Comment by Abudullah

10/15/2009 @ 2:54 pm

I am surprised at the bizarre translation of “Taliban” in English. It is obviously a deliberate mis-representation, not an accidental poor translation, because the word has even been spelt in capitals to make it a proper noun after the group with that name in Afghanistan. The word in Arabic is accurately translated as “two students”. This article looks very strange. By the way, Jane about your comment, AlQaeda and the Salafis in Yemen are big ideological opposites and if you check on the background you will not find either wandering into the other camp to recruit because of the attention they would attract by doing that. 50-100 misfits in one of these schools would attract much attention from within that it could not survive.

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Comment by Ali Shaibi

10/15/2009 @ 3:00 pm

I appreciate your reply Ms. Novak. I am looking forward to hear more from you about GITMO prisoners who have links to Dar al Hadith. I have yet to see proves of that. Yes the school is preaching very strict brand of Islam (Salafi), but it does not preach or condone violence.

However, I wish you have made those comments in or after the article specifying that the school is against violence. If there are few bad students (I have yet to see evidence of that)you cannot blame the whole school for it. Dar al Hadeth has very strict rules on who they accept to the school. There are bad people in every society, but you cannot generalize. You points are unsubstantiated. You just assume that since the school has several thousand students there must be few bad one, and since the school is located in a remote part of the country it must be breaching violence, must of Yemen is very remote and hardly accessible to outsider.

You also asked “Why are they training with guns”? You don’t fully understand the Yemeni Society. There are over 65 million guns in the hands of Yemeni. Everyone has gun and know how to use them. It is part of the tradition to know how to use gun. One of the reason people have gun there is to protect themselves against the Houthi Shitt militia. I am sure you are aware of the war in Saada and how weak the government in some part of the country which lead to the tribes filling in the vacuum.

I appreciate what you are doing in regard to the journalists(Alkewani and Almaqalieh). I also appreciate the fact that you are showing the world the corruption of the Yemeni government. I also applaud your coverage of the South Yemen struggle against the corrupt central government.

Thanks.

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Comment by Jane Novak

10/16/2009 @ 12:25 pm

I thought Taliban was odd also but it was an automatic Google translation, if you go to google translate and put the article URL, when it comes up, there is a button for “suggest a better translation”, so maybe you can correct it.

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Comment by jane novak

10/17/2009 @ 8:37 am

On page 25 of the link in the post: click here, there is one guy and on page 28 is another:

2. Ajami told the detainee to go to see Sheik Moqbil A1 Wadae, a well-known Muslim
religious scholar from Sadah, Yemen.
3. The detainee decided to get a Yemeni passport with 1969 as his date of birth. This was
the year of birth that would make him too old to enlist in the Army. He went to the Taiz
government office and paid approximately 10,000 Yemen Riyals for the passport and paid a
bribe to change his year of birth from 1972 to 1969.
4. Sheik Wadae financially supported the detainee’s travel to teach the Koran, because he
did not have any money. Wadae gave him 5,000 Saudi Riyals (1 1,000 United States Dollars) to
help with his travels.
5, Shaykh Muqbil Bin Hadi Al-Wadi’a, and a few other “Brotherhood” movement
supporters, recognized U h a Bin Ladin as their leader. Wadi’a was responsible for the jihadist
movement in the geographical region of Sa’dah, Yemen.

theres more- its a pdf link, if you search wadae you find them but they spell dammaj a different way

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Comment by jane novak

10/17/2009 @ 8:38 am

there this on page 31: c. Sheik Wadae told the detainee not to fight in Afghanistan, because fighting was against
Muslims and he was only there to teach, He agreed to not fight.

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Comment by Ali Shaibi

10/19/2009 @ 5:13 pm

Lot of what the detainees say at GITMO should not be taken seriously since it is taken under torture. As you know hundreds of GITMO detainees have been released without any charges. It turned out that they were innocent people who were detained by the Afghan and sold to the US army.

Comment number 6 is full of misleading information. There is a big difference between the Salafi, which Wadae belong to, and the Muslim Brotherhood. I know it is not your information, but I think you are not relying on truly substantiated information.

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Comment by Jane Novak

10/26/2009 @ 7:17 am

Thats true and I think the US is underinformed on the nuances of the groups.

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Comment by abu ahmad yemeni

10/29/2011 @ 3:41 am

LOL… darul hadith doesnt have corelation with all scum terrorist . i have teachers come from dammaj, they are so hard against terrorism ideology

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