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Shot him in the head

Filed under: General — by Jane Novak at 9:59 pm on Monday, November 15, 2004

While the embedded TV reporter rolled the tape.

Abu Ghraib redux: the image of the good work of the thousands of soldiers for the people of Fallujah wiped out by one over exhausted soldier- POW: “He’s dead now.”

How many times a day will this video play on al-Jazeera vs. the tape of the Marines giving out food and water?

CNN played the tape three times within one 10 minute segment. Its very bad to killed a wounded guy point blank when there’s no threat. Even if he was shooting at you yesterday. So was there a threat?

CNN: About a block away, a Marine was killed and five others wounded by a booby-trapped body they found in a house after a shootout with insurgents.

The human rights organization Amnesty International raised concerns about violations of the rules of war last week, after a British news program broadcast video of what it said was the killing of another wounded insurgent by U.S. troops.

Amnesty also noted reports that insurgents have used mosques as fighting positions, and in one incident appear to have used a white flag to lure Marines into an ambush.

Another recruiting tool against the people who are trying to bring liberty to the Iraqi Nation and for the car bombers who kill civilians at indescriminately. And the star of the film is an American again.

The thing that sets us apart from the terrorists is the rule of law, morality. While the action may be understandable in the context of this prolonged battle, when the enemy is breaking every rule of war, when yesterday a wounded terrorist killed an American soldier, when the soldier himself was wounded a few hours before, summary execution of prisoners is not the best America, and we know, not the true America.

Brain Shavings: Keep in mind that our side isn’t the bunch that decapitates hostages, targets civilians, fakes white flags, and lures the opposition in with fake wounded. There could very well be a satisfactory explanation tht mitigates what seems (at first glance) to be a war crime. Give the NCIS time.

Right on Red: “We are at war with a murderous, totalitarian, racist ideology which has no remorse or honor, and swears allegiance to no country. If American Leftists were as outraged by the enemy’s atrocities as they are by our mistakes, we’d be a lot farther along in this war. The terrorists’ worst nightmare is a united United States.”

Ace:“It also has to be noted that these guys have played dead before. And that “playing dead” is not surrendering. And that if you’re not surrendering, you’re a legitimate target.”

David notes the unconditional support from some on the right: “They more or less say the Marine was justified no matter what the circumstances were. ”

Say anything: ” This sort of thing is the exception, not the rule. Also remember that the incident will be thoroughly investigated by our government and the people responsible for it will be punished for it if found guilty. The enemy who we are fighting against routinely commits war crimes with impunity.”

In the Bullpen: What strikes me as being the most infuriating thing about this is that reporters have all but ignored attrocities committed by the terrorists in combat, yet when a story that shows a United States soldier in a less than honorable light it’s front-page time.

Digger: All you smart guys out there who have never served a day in combat can kiss my ass. Apparently a day or so before, in a similar incident involving the same unit, a dying terrorist blew himself and a soldier up. You only have a split second to react. At the most this soldier should be reprimanded.

Six Meat Buffet: What should have happened is, once the mosque was identified as an enemy base, it should have been annihilated completely – killing ALL insurgents inside. I suppose that would be considered offensive to the Religion of Peace™, though.

The Command Post notes another article on the treatment of wounded enemy: The new patients at the field aid station screamed out in agony as they were gently laid on stretchers. Fresh from the battlefield, flies swarmed around their infected wounds. US army medics barked out orders beside the makeshift triage beds.

Rusty has a clear view: Kevin Sites, more interested in a Pulitzer than in the lives of American soldiers, has stolen the victory which was Fallujah and handed us defeat….In war, propaganda is a weapon.

And this from Protein Wisdom: If enough prone terrorists have fired at you, you learn to kill prone terrorists before they can pick up another gun. Simple as that. In short, you react to the tactics of your enemy, not to ethical hypotheticals—and no simpering retrospective sanctimony should obscure that very real fact. Period.

I was just watching some analyst discuss how under the Geneva Convention, you are allowed to kill a sleeping enemy. And then I came across this at the Conservative Revolution: I was pissed because FoxNews made it sound as if this Marine did something wrong.

Cross posted at The Left Right Debate .

26 Comments »

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Comment by Tim

11/15/2004 @ 10:27 pm

Jane, have to be honest with you, there is a part of me that doesn’t care about the death of an Iraqi insurgent armed or not.

What I do care about is that as you stated all the good that we have done are tried to do in that god forbidden region seems to come for naught. Does anyone have to ask what would happen to one of our own soldiers if captured? We saw that at the beginning of the war. Right now, I put the premium on the life of one US soldier over that of a terrorist. Send them all to “paradise”.

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Comment by Jeremy

11/16/2004 @ 2:19 am

Jane,
I said this at Froggy Ruminations and I’ll say it here as well. The insurgents in that mosque are doubly not covered by the Geneva Conventions for war.

1. None of them wear a uniform. By geneva conventions you are considered either a spy or asassin if you do not wear a uniform.

2. They were attacking our of a Mosque. Geneva Conventions state that once a place of sanctuary (place of worship or a hospital) is being used as a base of operations anything that occurs withing this building is no longer covered under the geneva conventions.

Does anyone remember the guy they let go in Saving Private Ryan? I’d put two to the head myself.

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Comment by Gary B.

11/16/2004 @ 2:39 am

CNN should be putting this story in context. If they don’t, I don’t see why the military should continue to allow embedded reporters to go with them since out of all of the fighting they’ve wittnessed, this is all they’re going to use it for. No stories honoring the lives of those who’ve died trying to liberate Fallujah are ever shown. But if they can find a family who’s pissed at Bush because their loved one has died then they’ll run it. Maybe they should’ve shot the damn journalists who wittnessed the mosque incident and said that they’d been shot by the insurgent? The journalists have repeatedly done more harm to our soldiers than the insurgents have.

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Trackback by RIGHT ON RED >>

11/16/2004 @ 3:31 am

The Fallujah Incident
I’m sure it’s being said many other places, but war is hell. Mistakes happen, and yes, crimes happen. An investigation is under way.

I believe that the embedded reporters do more harm than good. Any soldier or historian will tell you that this kin…

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Comment by Jeremy

11/16/2004 @ 4:30 am

Just saw a snippet of Bill O’reilly.

Playing dead is a war crime. (I didn’t know this one.)
Fighting from a mosque is a war crime.
Fighting out of uniform, and especially and enemy in your own uniform, is a war crime.

The guy playing dead is fair game. End of story.

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Trackback by Diggers Realm

11/16/2004 @ 8:06 am

US Soldier Shoots Terrorist In Mosque
I’m not really into reporting on this story so I’m gonna make some quick comments and let the others do the talking. Visit all the other sites below covering this. My main comment is, so what. This is a war,…

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Trackback by Six Meat Buffet

11/16/2004 @ 9:10 am

The Old Media will make sure you see this
You cannot look at what happens in a battle like the one in Fallujah through the lens of everyday American life.

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Trackback by Brain Shavings

11/16/2004 @ 9:26 am

Marine shoots wounded(?) terrorist
NBC correspondent Kevin Sites, embedded with the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, videotaped a Marine on Saturday shooting an apparently wounded and unarmed terrorist in a Fallujah mosque. On the video, as the camera moved into the mosque during the…

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Comment by John

11/16/2004 @ 10:03 am

I’d simply note that avoiding a rush to judgment might be advisable. None of us were in that room. What the camera saw may not be the entire story. It could be, but we don’t know that yet, nor does any public medium.

This won’t stop Al Jazeera from running the tape and providing its own reading, of course. But it should (in a perfect world) cause more professional media to pause before they judge.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that judicial procedings and even investigations take longer than a news cycle. But that is a fact.

The USG should certainly jump all over this. It is contrary to established procedures to make the intermediary steps in an investigation public, but there really should be a daily–if not more frequent–news release about progress in this case. It needn’t be defensive or offensive, but a simple report that “X has claimed A”, “Y has claimed B”.

People will make judments with or without the facts. By providing facts, one can show that the process is taken seriously, even if the result is unfortunate.

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Comment by Jane

11/16/2004 @ 10:48 am

Even Fox is calling it an execution, not even an appaernt execution.

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Trackback by ISOU

11/16/2004 @ 11:57 am

I’m Baaaaack!
Well, El Malo apparently bored most of you, so I am back to take the helm again. Well it looks like El Malo got tons of Trackbacks for his mention of the Fallujah Marine shooting, so here is my take:…

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Trackback by protein wisdom

11/16/2004 @ 1:14 pm

Take no prisoners?
Let me echo Dr Shackleford's sentiments on this "murder of an unarmed insurgent" story, then add a few additional words of personal outrage. First, the filth US Marines have been killing in Fallujah are terrorists, not insurgents; and se…

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Comment by Gary B.

11/16/2004 @ 1:16 pm

Oh Yeah! Didn’t our MSM just fully support a guy for president who did got a silver star for doing the same damn thing in Vietnam? Who did Sites vote for? I think he needs tell us.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

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Trackback by InTheBullpen.com

11/16/2004 @ 1:17 pm

U.S. Soldier Shoots Iraqi Prisoner in Raid
This is clearly an incident that should not have happened, but should we fault our soldiers for being paranoid at the tactics employed by terrorists? As always, theres more to the story than Reuters wants to show.

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Trackback by Conservative Revolution

11/16/2004 @ 3:09 pm

Marine Shoots Terrorist Playing Dead
I watched the news earlier today and I saw the video of this story about the marine shooting the “prisoner”. Wizbang also has more on it.

When I saw this video today I was pissed! Let me tell you. I was pissed because FoxNews made it sound as…

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Trackback by Carnivorous Conservative

11/16/2004 @ 7:54 pm

There is No Excuse for This
Jane at Armies of Liberation has a solid recap, with links, on the

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Trackback by un autre monde

11/16/2004 @ 8:22 pm

It wasn’t the US Marine’s fault
This is from the conservative blog

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Comment by John

11/16/2004 @ 10:59 pm

Whoops! the fell through

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Comment by John

11/16/2004 @ 11:00 pm

Having trouble posting the link! It’s:

http://xrdarabia.org/blog/archives/2004/11/16/editorial-a-tragic-incident/

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Comment by Creeper

11/17/2004 @ 11:46 am

No one should be showing this clip unless they inform viewers that US soldiers have died in Fallujah because the terrorists there are “booby trapping” dead bodies.

If I’m not mistaken a marine from this same unit was killed in that very way a day or two before this incident.

That certainly provides much-needed context.

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Comment by David

11/17/2004 @ 12:11 pm

That marine screwed up. He should have shot the other enemy too, i.e. the one armed with the video camera.

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Trackback by INDC Journal

11/17/2004 @ 1:45 pm

About That Marine
Monday night on CNN I heard the dreaded comparison of the recent Marine shooting of a wounded man to the Abu Ghraib scandal, and my immediate thought was … “no.” No. We are not going to let the MSM do…

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Trackback by Babalu Blog

11/18/2004 @ 10:29 am

Requisite Shooting in Fallujah Post
Since it’s all over the MSM and blogs and everywhere else it seems, here’s my take on the Marine’s shooting of the “wounded insurgent” the other day: SEMPER FI!!!!! GOOD JOB, MARINE!!!! The MSM can circle-jerk on this issue all…

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Comment by dtromsr

11/22/2004 @ 9:25 pm

let those boys do their jobs over there & get those dam paper pushers that call it news reporting out of there so we can get those kids back here state side

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Trackback by Unspun™

5/18/2005 @ 10:05 am

Shifting the Blame
Perhaps I’m too cynical. Perhaps. But I’m not buying the idea that the Newsweek story about the Quran and the Toilet was false. It seems much more likely to me that Newsweek got it right and the Bush Administration is…

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